This article presents a dialogue between Sabine Broeck and P. Khalil Saucier about Black social death and white empathy in contemporary Europe. It is written as a starting point to speak about black movement, European borders, and social death in the midst of almost weekly shipwrecks in the Mediterrenean Sea; events that Broeck and Saucier read as the constitutive element of the longe duree of black genocide in Europe; the consolidation of late European modernity.